Jon for Rent

Read a book.

If you want your hand held through the learning process go to a training course.

The rails documentation is frustrating, moving to rails because the docs were good was not a very good assumption. The problems with rails documentation is pretty widely known - in fact, people donated $15K on the caboo.se doc project to improve it.

The point is, it you want to learn a new framework/lang you have to do the work, read a book, take a class. Don’t rely on DHH to hold your hand.

Well … I should have worded that better. What I really meant was there are more books and more people talking about Rails then let’s say CakePHP or Synfony. I was using CakePHP and the lack of everything on there was putting a strain on a lot of things for me. I have a good amount of books that has to do with Ruby and Rails which I am reading and have already read. It’s just that when a book has nothing on the thing I am looking into and for example the documentation of the plugin I am looking into just plan sucks then I have to turn to the community … and the community doesn’t even listen to me I am just ignored. IRC or Forums I am just plan ignored .

I like Rails but I just wish the community was a little more helpful, that’s all .

Hey thanks for posting a comment by the way, to bad you didn’t leave an email.

Where did you ask for help on?

The ROR mailing list is one of the busiest, and defineatly most helpful I’ve ever seen.

You might want to cehck the way you asked and make sure it’s not the first result in google. Include references to URLs you’ve already looked at.

flukus, well I have posted on a few forums(like railsweenie.com and on the IRC channel #rubyonrails on freenode. Honestly I haven’t tired the mailing list just because of what you said it’s way busy and well that’s no excuse I should try in there at least … I might have better luck
I think I am going to post my comment on the blog and just see what happens also . I might get a answer that way as well.

Still though I can’t see why people have ignore someone completely not even a “sorry can’t help you” or something.

Thanks Flukus!

hey,

Its hard to believe!!
Seems like you are trying to degrade the non-degradable popularity of rails.
Ruby and Rails have the best known communities in each n every aspect.
I wish you will soon find the fact.

Sur, I know it’s hard to believe because all the people I have met in person especially all the ones I met at the Web 2.0 expo that knew Rails were super friendly and willing to answer any questions I had, which was many but still they took 5 minutes of their time to answer it.

The online community is 180 degrees though, I don’t mean to degrade the rails community honestly it’s just frustrating when so many people are ignored. Maybe there are too many newbies doing rails right now and not enough experts?

Btw, Sur awesome job on SimpleCaptcha got that setup a few weeks ago on a test app I working on for work, keep up the good work.

I dunno what you’re talking about, cause I get all my questions answered at http://www.railsforum.com

Thanks Jonathan

Hi, i am a noob as well. the ruby-forum and irc has helped me alot in learning. however, the best way of learning anything is just diving right in with a bunch of books and start pluggin away while programming through alot of trial and error.

I’d suggest the mailing list. #rubyonrails is a scary place, and generally just full of digg nerds that think they know everything. Sad indeed.

The problem is you’re dealing with script kiddies who don’t know the difference between a piss-poor dynamic scripting language and type safe languages like C# and Java, to name two. The ratio of ignorant morons to skilled professionals is an order of magnitude greater in these kiddie script fora (read: ruby, rails or otherwise). Try Groovy and Grails.

Groovy and Grails huh Rick? I will have to check that out. I see it jumps on Java so that would be cool to read up on. Thanks!